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Tereza Grandicova TBA21, speaks on new media...and CloudGuide

BY Azucena Lozano

In our daily work it is essential to keep constantly in touch with our partner institutions. TBA21 is one of those who makes this dialogue easy and pleasant because we share common visions and objectives as we both are aware of what on-site or virtual audiences are needing.   Our commitment  to provide an excellent experience related to culture and art lead us to build meaningful activities specially designed to enrich the exhibition proposals.

Some weeks ago, our museums manager in Austria and Germany, Rocio Burchard met Tereza Grandičová to have a little talk about digital strategies in TBA21, the way  communities are being created around the institution and, of course, her experience with CloudGuide as a global digital channel.

Here it comes.

Ro: Could you introduce yourself, what is your position and your tasks at TBA21?

Tereza: I am mostly working for the marketing department, supporting all the other departments on like graphical or little bit technical base of the graphic programs, and than on all these digital forms and trying to implement new medias and new platforms and yeah, working little bit also a with videos, sometimes also with the picture archive and and than recording of the, many things, many things

R: What happens if a museum enters the digital world? What changes?

Tereza: We just today we had the discussion (...) us from the kind of x generation we already kind of see these like 3d/4d possibility of digital things, definitely that is like crossing boarders, nations and all these things, that you can do these things remotely in your bed, in your comfortable zone but also than if you are in the place it gives you completely different experience, like not the opportunity of use the things remotely but the element of digitally use in the ordinary visit, visiting experience, visitor experience, and of course its little bit, I quiet like these, this incorporate, that suddenly the museum guest, can cooperate much more obvious, or you know, the references are clearer because there could be really linked in certain art platforms or, I mean for somebody like the google art projects, that opened completely different idea of researching in private collections, or in collections in general, all this virtual exhibitions, you know and these things.

How is it to implement it?

T: Oh its really hard, if you want to know my private opinion its super hard, because most of the people don't see it yet as something very practical, when they have time they do these things, but if you are at the exhibition there are so many other elements, that you go there with friends, so thats I think that people still have to get used to, that I think still, people can imagin the remote access but I think it is hard to convince them to use the things in there, but from our experience in Augarten, when they do that, they are happy then, they find like very useful, they get more information and it is also hard to convince that the members of the team, like "this is really cool guys, you have to do that because thats really completely opening a different window", yeah it will come

R: How is the feedback in the team?

T: Just like, some people come, I tried and it is really nice and it is really exciting, but most of them didn't really test it, no one has really time, to take the tour maybe, it's like yeah it works, nice images, they are happy if something is working, that they get good feedback, and they don't need to bother with other things, or of course the older generation is not used to these things and they cannot even imagine that and also like its, some people really have a approach to digital things, like me as total mobile device, freak, that I am always testing platforms and I am happy to move the boarders, in this way, thats easy for me than I guess for someone else

R:  How do you think would you have to communicate this devices?

T: I thougth that maybe the different wording might help, because this "APP" is little bit annoying, because in this days everyone has "app" because it is so cool and so important to have but there is not the functionality communicated in the title, so I thought that the main idea behind the CloudGuide is that we want give more information so it means like guide them through in a different way. It is also really important that the guys in the Augarten communicate it and tell the people "hey look" the CloudGuide, you can listen to it and look at the pictures (refers to closeups)

Ro: Do you think it influences in the way the experience the exhibition?

Te: I think it is very helpful, as you can listen to it and look at the same time at the exhibits. You don't have to look through the booklet while you are looking at the artwork. Also people have the chance to look at it before they come. We also have a big community in New York that follows tba21 but cannot come to the exhibitions, with the Guide they have the chance now to see it too, what they did not have before. You also can look at many pictures (refering to detail images for exhibits)

Ro: What is your personal experience with digital channels, also Twitter, Facebook and now CloudGuide, lets say with this triangulation?

Te: With these you cannot only share info, but share also something more personal, you can use it to tell something else (comparison with someone who uses it to share). Also if you are not very much into reading a lot, it is very helpful, to have an overview, you can easily follow

R: How is it to work with CloudGuide?

T: Fabulous (loughs). It is great that it is outsourced, we don't have to take care of the technical stuff, to be updated, there are options which are on the one hand quiet expensive and very hard to.. well you can ask a company to do a mobile device for you but than, its so hard to decide on the headway of communication, on the stuff you want to communicate and many times its kind of overlapping with the website information so it doesn't actually bring the aspect, the additional experience, that anyway its just another text that you can read and than of course at a certain point the external company would step away and you would have to keep updated the technologies and all which is all very simple, and the research on the needs and on the analytics and things like that that thats like absolutely helpful that the CloudGuide does it for us.

And second of all its not an ordinary app, its not like an additional thing, its a thing what, I mean like either you could take it or not take it, so its additional, but how to say it, its actually something if you want it can,(...) some of these apps what I tested, yes always there is something interesting, but then its like, it doesn't help you to experience the exhibition.Iits more like a taking time and yeah, but this might help, in in the orientation, it is easy to navigate through the exhibition space because the people see the pictures, you don't always have, wall texts or anything, especially in Augarten where we are not so much for wall captions, yeah whatever

Ro: Is there something you are missing or what you would like to have improved, I mean it is an ongoing process but?

Te: I think that maybe, but I think that is something that will be solve with another version in few months, (...) but I can imagine that somethings could be more intuitive, this kind of like smooth movements through, its just. Maybe I don't find that important the giving opinion, I think the liking button its cool because thats something people are used to these days. I am curious if we will get some opinion, so far no one gave us any written feedback. Maybe I could imagine that it would be maybe good for students, that is connected more with other ordinary app, like dropbox, where you can share it, or save stuff, or if they even know they could synchronize it, if you leave a note, if you could synchronize it with some other source, what I use a lot is evernote and so of course it would you limit you again if you are used to write notes in a different app, why would you do it with the CloudGuide if you to distract from there, maybe an integration with other and than the rest. I think that some of the images have law quality, but we discussed this already, you remember...

First street-art tourguide

BY Aina Soler

Never seen Street-Art in a Monastery? 

In 2012, 12 international urban/graffiti artists from 6 different countries sprayed and painted 1000 qm of walls in the Monastery St. Ottilien in the middle of Bavaria: A project initiated by the art association Vis-á-Vis in cooperation with the Gallery St. Ottilien.

Check out our Street-Art Tourguide to the project Heaven meets Earth here:

How to communicate Culture, according to Pilar DM

BY Azucena Lozano

Pilar DM (Salamanca, 1984) is one of the most well known Spanish bloggers  due to her work at El Dado del Arte, a blog created in 2006 where contemporary art is considered a poliedric reality where proposals happening at non-conventional circuits are specially voiced.

Pilar owes a degree in Art History and two MA in Communication, working on cultural projects focused on the usage and implementation of digital strategies. She teaches in different universities and is in charge of the art contemporary section at the online magazine UnBreak.

CloudGuide sent her an online quiz some weeks ago talking on the matter of the question, that is to say, how to communicate culture in the digital era.  This is her personal  point of view  about institutional practices  in communication,  the launching of  apps and other technologies, the problem of audiences , and many more things. So here we go.

CG Pilar, you have been working in El Dado del Arte as a chief and founder since 2006 and now it is considered one of the most influential blogs written in Spanish. How would you summarize the evolution in the way Culture is communicated, in general, from then to now?

PDM I have seen a great evolution in nine years, not only in the format but in the emergence of Internet and Social Media which have change dramatically the old concept communication. It is essential for any marketing strategy to focus on the online user now but the problem is  that unfortunatelly, sometimes is the only target under consideration. I think that is not a good idea: online and online approachs must be coordinated. In the cultural field, it has been tough to understand that there exists a virtual audience and an oportunity to show our collections and activities to people that would have never thought to visit our museum before. The Museum is now opening doors and  contents to leave secrecy behind, but there is a lot of work to do to arrive to the publics yet.

GC 'El Dado del Arte' aims to show those artistic practices which happens outside the institucional stream because there is already a channel working for that institution, with very well defined structures. Do you think this  barriers are getting thiner and thiner while the legitimacy is no longer inside the institutions? We think your blog could be an example of legitimacy from outside...

PDM I think form the very beginning of El Dado del Arte that there are lots of high quality proposals that are invisible to media because they happens in small cities or in small galleries or in  a non-convencional space. That is something that has nothing to see with legitimacy. My aim is to find those small festivals, exhibitions, artists that are harder or invisible to newspapers  but deserve a to be known, at least for fifteen minuts.

I do not think my blog legitimise any proposal, I am only a loudspeaker with a critical point of view. Anyway I only publish  projects that I believe in, whether because there is a team that has been able to enkindle enthusiasm whether because I have seen directly a good exhibit that needs to be shown to people.

CG What do you think, as an expert on 2.0 tools, about mobile technologies aplied to  culture and museums? ¿Did you know CloudGuide before we met for this quiz?

PDM I have seen a wide range of  experiences. I must admit that there are lots of apps in museums that I only use the day I download it. It is difficult for an app to have a continous presence. There is an exception that I love which is the app of La Panera (an art center in Lleida, Catalonia), that offers eventually specific artwoks created for mobile app. It's useless to replicate your website to try some mobile experience.

CG Our guest in  Talks on Culture agree on the lack of evaluations on communication strategies in museums and cultural institutions  practices. Do you agree too? Do you think there is a certain trend to join the techie devices without a previous plan?

PDM Sometimes there is a over interest on launchings or openings but after that it's like nobody pays attention to what happens after that day or to the required assessment .  As a community manager, I need to communicate an exhibition or event much longer than just some hours but I see most of the professionals in this area are too much focused on the launching day. Nowadays it is a must to have a schedule  including previous , present anf post event times as a tool to understand what we did right and what needs to be improved. This is as important as the hype. Another essential topic is Innovation: The new technologies are useful to discover new channels to get to the audience. We should try and analyze results, challenging for improvement  to know better our audience. It is important to know what's behind each 'like' in Facebook, behind every prolongued tour inside en exhibition. We should be able to read the data to enhance 'user' experience.

CG Throughout our experience as a global digital channel, we find there disfunctions too often: outdated or unusable apps, AR technologies which fail to work after two months, museums without wifi or forbidding to use the phone while they provide QR to download an app at the door entrance...What kind of experiences, positive or not, would you undercore?

PDM This are the kind of things I tried to explain. If we only think on the day we launch the app, we are missing the essential, which is  the unkeep of our efforts and there is a higher posibility of letting our app die. There is a case, Casa Batlló, where all those commonplaces are broken. They provide free wifi for visitors and an exceptional Augmented Reality videoguide  with no additional costs that truly enrich the visitors experience, who is invited to a trip to the early days of the XX century together with the Gaudi Universe enjoying forniture, iconography and the esence of the house with the eye catching allure of an actual tech design.

CG Linking to that, the engaging of the audiences is a essential issue in culture around the world, not only in Spain. What would you suggest to the institutions to increase citizen participation? Why do you think families do not consider spending an afternoon in a museum as a leisure offer when that is much more common in other contexts, like UK?

 PDM We simply are always be lagging behind the example of other european countries. Spain keeps thinking that art and museums are only for cultivated people. We consider that going to the cinema or to the theatre is a common practice, some people still thinking that visiting en exhibition is boring. Contemporary art is seen inscrutable or hard to understand and I think we need some more education in humanistics and art. New technologies will help us a lot to zoom in, like in enlightening pills to stimulate curiosity in the publics. If there is a person that finds nice or even interesting a certain artpiece, it is more likely that he or she publish that on FB so that a friend of him or her would see it and be interested as well. We are joined by motivation. But it is true that we must work their interest hard, starting from the web to the presential  guided visit and keep pushing after the visit. We may suggest to follow us on Social Media or get subscribed to our newsletter, so that the visitor keep being interested to be part of the museum community.

Regarding to the second question, it it logic that if  we think that going to the museum is something weird or 'just for experts', our kids will see an activity happening in a museum a strange or even unlikely experience. But In fact, I think that is changing in big cities. There are great educational proposals driven by museums which are truly engaging and funny, with children willing to repeat the experience over and over again.

CG Would you add something else?

PDM Thank you!

First 'Modernist Walk'

BY Aina Soler

This Saturday at 11:00 am it will take place the first 'Modernist Walk' at Barcelona organized by the Museu del Modernisme (Modernism Museum). This is the first time that institutions like  La Pedrera, Casa Batlló, Casa Amatller, Casa Lleó Morera, Museu de la Xocolata and Museu del Modernisme collaborate in a free and popular initiative to get to know the Modernism era.

You can preview the tour with our app, check and enjoy it.


Image courtesy of Museu del Modernisme

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